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X Cytherea X · Oct 01, 2007, 12:37 AM // 00:37

What happened to the thread Gaile Gray started about this just yesterday?

Punches · Oct 01, 2007, 01:02 AM // 01:02

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Originally Posted by X Cytherea X

What happened to the thread Gaile Gray started about this just yesterday?

This was the thread that gaile started titled "Feedback desired:", it looks like sometime this afternoon someone merged it with Flu's thread "My thought's on:", which is unfortunate as it removed Gaile as the OP of the thread. Hopefully it doesn't affect the Dev's from being able to use this thread to glean info and feedback from.

Citadel Runner · Oct 01, 2007, 05:08 AM // 05:08

The problem with this whole thing is that ANET will probably get inundated. Tough call on the benefit. We will see.

Punches · Oct 01, 2007, 05:25 AM // 05:25

I keep seeing posts in this thread and others of people arguing for their rights to use inappropriate language. The game is rated for teens, I paid for it, there is an ignore feature, etc etc.

I don't see how you could not comprehend that all of that is completely irrelevant in the face of the fact that inappropriate language has always been against the terms of use. Regardless of how you feel about that, it's a fact.

Here's a little experiment. Find yourself a nightclub, that only adults can get into, one with a cover charge, full of people perfectly capable of ignoring you. Pay to get in. Walk around cussing people out and using racial slurs and deliberately being as profane and obscene and disrespectful to the other patrons as you possibly can. See how long it takes them to throw you out on the street. See how far your "freedom of speech" and "i paid to get in" and "we're all adults" and "no-one HAD to listen!" arguments get you.

Read the terms of use, follow the rules, and stop acting like you should have the right to break the ones you disagree with. You don't. End of story.

Kashrlyyk · Oct 01, 2007, 05:31 AM // 05:31

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Originally Posted by Andrew Patrick

A report is just a report...much like reporting someone for a crime to the police....

Don´t use the comparison with the police. The police doesn´t decide on the sentence, unlike ANet.

AscalonWarrior · Oct 01, 2007, 05:45 AM // 05:45

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Originally Posted by SotiCoto

The game was just fine without the report system. People played, had fun...

I still have fun. Lots of fun.

IMO the system works great, at least there's no leechers in AB.
If you are afraid of being reported, be polite, really

arcanemacabre · Oct 01, 2007, 06:05 AM // 06:05

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Originally Posted by Punches

I keep seeing posts in this thread and others of people arguing for their rights to use inappropriate language. The game is rated for teens, I paid for it, there is an ignore feature, etc etc.

I don't see how you could not comprehend that all of that is completely irrelevant in the face of the fact that inappropriate language has always been against the terms of use. Regardless of how you feel about that, it's a fact.

Here's a little experiment. Find yourself a nightclub, that only adults can get into, one with a cover charge, full of people perfectly capable of ignoring you. Pay to get in. Walk around cussing people out and using racial slurs and deliberately being as profane and obscene and disrespectful to the other patrons as you possibly can. See how long it takes them to throw you out on the street. See how far your "freedom of speech" and "i paid to get in" and "we're all adults" and "no-one HAD to listen!" arguments get you.

Read the terms of use, follow the rules, and stop acting like you should have the right to break the ones you disagree with. You don't. End of story.

I agree with everything you said, except for one type of situation - accidental. What I mean is: the dreaded 'miss-type' or MT; where you're whisper-chatting with a friend, using all the expletives you tend to when talking to said friend, and you switch to say something to someone in another channel, say local or alliance. Then, your friend whispers again, you whisper back, but you forgot that you switched channels and say it out loud into the channel you changed it to. What you typed is full of all sorts of nastiness - cause that's just how you talk to your buddy - and is now for all to see. You get reported and temp banned for a simple MT.

This wouldn't happen in any club, of course, unless you have Tourette Syndrome or something. You're not going to be chatting with a friend, then suddenly yell at everyone part of your conversation. Even if you apologize, or type 'MT,' it can easily be taken out of context, or used against you and Bam, you're out for something foolish that was a simple mistake.

I don't think that's fair one bit. Not that I actually talk/type like that, even with friends, but on occasion, I'm sure some of the things I've typed could be arguably offensive to some.

Patrick Smit · Oct 01, 2007, 07:02 AM // 07:02

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Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk

And this: Information how the report function works would be useful. So there's automatical filter what messages get to human support team, which then decides what kind of action is taken. What kind of bans can automatical filter give and what are the conditions?

A little tip: Don´t listen to stupid people. Normaly stupid people want harder punishments for people they don´t like.

From: http://guildwars.incgamers.com/forum...1&postcount=30

I dislike rapists, murderers, rude people etc.. If they commit these acts repetitively they should be punished much harder, does that make me stupid?

I guess that statement does not hold.

The latency problem worries me, maybe add a check for connectivity so that problems with that do not result in a temp ban.

Hyper.nl · Oct 01, 2007, 07:09 AM // 07:09

I haven't really had any experiences with the new anti-griefing measures yet, but as frequent Aspenwood player I'm glad that ArenaNet finally payed attention to the leeching problem.

leprekan · Oct 01, 2007, 09:22 AM // 09:22

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Originally Posted by SotiCoto

The /Report system gets a resounding NO from me.

Reason: The vast majority of people are extremely prejudiced. They have their own notions on what should and should not be allowed... absolutely ZERO consideration for how others (even those they personally don't like) may choose to play for their own entertainment..... and will abuse a system like this toward those ends.
One alone isn't a problem.... but when you get a lot of people agreeing on the same ridiculous bias (as will often happen).... then it tends to get decided simply by weight of the majority. They impose their will on any would-be individuals who might not be like them... and destroy the game for them.

What we end up with is mob rule.... whereby the idiots with the most similarly idiotic friends control what does and does not happen in game... Leaving such power in the hands of children is ridiculous... and NO... it will not "sort itself out over time".... it will only end up with those same idiotic children in charge... and anyone with even a slightly contrary opinion on how things should be getting permabanned.

Ditch the report system.
Leave the leechers and the griefers to their business. Their fun will also make them enemies.... and if that bothers them then they will change their attitude. If it doesn't bother them.... then so what? Work around them. The majority of people don't do that, and if anything it just adds an unpredictable element to the game to make it more interesting. And honestly, people should be allowed to do such things, much as any given individual should be allowed to oppose them on their own terms.
The people screaming for the game to be policed for them are those who are too weak to deal with life as it comes and take matters into their own hands if necessary.

I mean... do I go crying to all and sundry because I live in a city where things DO get stolen and people DO get killed? Of course not. Honestly... I don't care. I make my own security measures to ensure I don't fall victim to such things... much as I'd expect anyone else to do, rather than whine to the police about it. I value my freedom more than my life or my material property.

Communism doesn't work.
Don't do it.

Seriously.

No matter how you try to twist your position on the topic .. all anyone has to do is go back to page 3 or 4 and read why you are REALLY against the report system. You created an offensive name that you WANTED to offend with and are now worried you might be reported for it. Sadly you are too clueless to understand YOU are part of why we now have a report system.

Why you haven't been banned for being a troll escapes me.

Report system has been a long time coming and no matter how many kinks have to be worked out .. it will improve the gaming environment. Like it or not people need rules and punishment for not following the rules. Without them you cannot and will not have civilized society. While a mob of sociopaths might sound like fun ... the fun would wear off very fast the first time YOU were the victim.

Local chat trading is almost a non issue now ... because millions were banned? NOPE. The threat of the ban helped guide normal rule following people back on track. The threat of being reported will do the same for the rest of the game.

Fril Estelin · Oct 01, 2007, 09:36 AM // 09:36

Ideas for Anet:

- do not allow for 2 reports to be issued within less than 2 minutes (this may even give the time to people that are raging to calm down ...)

- disable for, say, 2 days the /report function for peoplewho use it 3 days in a row up to the maximum of 50 reports

- the /unreport feature to disable a report made during the last minute (already suggested here), it could also disable the /report feature for 2 minutes

GG Anet.

DarkGanni · Oct 01, 2007, 10:51 AM // 10:51

It all started while I was forming a normal 5 Man fow group and this ele comes in group pings his skills however due to the horrible build I kicked him straight away (I was looking for experienced players) and this is what happens.......

Sure lets all ban eachother cause of this, Ban Wars!

If at each fight I report players the population would decrease alot, for that guy's luck I didn't bother report him, however if those are the kids that inhabitate PvP areas, I'm not stepping in there just to reported by 13yr olds

cebalrai · Oct 01, 2007, 01:23 PM // 13:23

So.... why didn't you use your ignore list?

Star Gazer · Oct 01, 2007, 01:54 PM // 13:54

all i say is that anet has gotten free labor from its players. having us police the community? what a joke. where are the anet "staff" that has seen activity before? maybe they are doing support.........oh wait, they arent doing that either

LONGA · Oct 01, 2007, 02:15 PM // 14:15

The /report command work good on Fort Aspenwood.Don't see those all time leechers more than twice.But I there are still people mistaken betweeen those who got disconnected and leechers.

bryann380 · Oct 01, 2007, 02:15 PM // 14:15

/report abuse = another good reason why I won't PvP or join PvE pugs. And there WILL be people abusing the system for their personal amusement, like a chip on their shoulder and hoping someone will say/do anything that would knock it off.

Jetdoc · Oct 01, 2007, 02:21 PM // 14:21

From my experiences this weekend, I believe that the /report command should only be authorized for leeching or absolutely non-responsive/abusive play.

I found a few examples where people were threatening to report people because they didn't like what people were saying, because people were drawing body parts on the compass, etc. IMO, that adds too much subjectivity to the use of the function, and really doesn't target what it is meant to do - punish those who are attempting to actively ruin other people's group experience through their gameplay (and not their immature communications).

HawkofStorms · Oct 01, 2007, 03:03 PM // 15:03

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Originally Posted by Jetdoc

From my experiences this weekend, I believe that the /report command should only be authorized for leeching or absolutely non-responsive/abusive play.

I found a few examples where people were threatening to report people because they didn't like what people were saying, because people were drawing body parts on the compass, etc. IMO, that adds too much subjectivity to the use of the function, and really doesn't target what it is meant to do - punish those who are attempting to actively ruin other people's group experience through their gameplay (and not their immature communications).

I'm sorry but you could ALWAYS report players for immature behavior via the NCSoft website. It was against the rules after all. A.net just made reporting more accessable.

Just because everybody does it and its become the norm does not make violent, sexually explict, or threatening language acceptable in a game.

Its in the rules already. People who aren't supporting /report are probablly also supporters of underage drinking and drug use. After all, its "vicitmless." Who cares if its illegal right?

Rocky Raccoon · Oct 01, 2007, 03:22 PM // 15:22

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Originally Posted by Burst Cancel

I'm fairly sure this is going to draw flames, but I'm going to stick my neck out because I honestly can't stand it anymore:

Don't you guys ever get tired of being PC?

I get the feeling that some of you people who post on this forum are so deathly afraid that someone, somewhere, is having their feelings hurt, that you have to censor every damn thing that even has a chance of being offensive. "Yuk Foo" forced a name change? Do you honestly consider that to be reasonable?

Hurt feelings is something little kids worry about. If adults can't shrug it off, or else gird their loins and take it, I'm honestly not sure what to think. It's bad enough that you can barely even fart loudly on TV without drawing government fines.

PC is one thing, but knowingly offensive is another.

Quozz · Oct 01, 2007, 03:39 PM // 15:39

All I can say is the report/anti-leeching features worked wonders in Aspenwood! Of the 2 dozen matches I played this weekend I did not have a single leech and only had one person leave prematurely. The opposing side was experiencing similiar results. This led to some of the best matches I have had in Aspenwood ever. Players seemed to be more friendly and I was amazed at how much in game tactics were being discussed in team chat.

The only downside is that with the limit to the number of simultaneous matches and the matches now taking longer because of each battle being more competitive, it was taking a little longer to get into a match. Small price to pay though for ensuring that each battle was leech free.

I hope they make these measures permanent as the quality of the random PVP battles went up considerably this weekend.